Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

London, United Kingdom
1 February 1977

Now this left hand side of the heart is concerned with your Mother and with Shiva, the existence, you get your existence through your Mother, and Shiva and Parvati, they are your parents, both of them are your parents as far as your existence is concerned, and it is such a beautiful centre is your heart centre. You want that somebody should yield, or something you find somebody very obstinate, well I have told you that you can beat them with shoes, do all those things, but there's a very simple way if you know how to do it, you see, just think of their, their heart, and put a bandhan to that, and you can do it so beautifully you can melt a person without any difficulties if you know how to handle their heart. You have to appeal to their heart and that's the best attraction I tell you and the west secret method by which you can bring good in them when you are talking to somebody. Supposing I, now intellectually if I start quarrelling with you, you will give me up in no time, but I have to use your heart power, and I have to enter into your heart and that is how it works.

So always when you want to do something like that, just humble down yourself in your heart, that is first, first of all you must humble down yourself in your heart and from then you work on the heart of others. Just put a bandhan and you will see, a person will melt away. We melt our intelligence, our ego, everything, even our superego, in your heart. So it's a very easy thing if you know how to approach people through their heart, and that is only possible if you are genuine, because genuineness is something that a heart recognises. You can befool a person with your cunning methods, but the heart will recognise it later on, and the person will hate you. Even if you talk to someone oh, very nice, oh very good, thank you very much, very nice … and the heart knows. Oh he's trying to befool me, and he's very cunning. The heart's going to hate such a person and heart has ether eyes to see and feel the person, so if you could appeal to somebody's heart and put a bandhan on the heart you can melt that person and if you love someone and if you want that person should be corrected, supposing such a person is a drunkard or a person who beats you and is torturing you because he's under the spell of some drugs or some sort of a foreign thing then you just put bandhan to his heart and you will see, they will change, they will change him very fast, and that's why you say 'change of heart', everywhere you find, in every scripture, it is written, a change of heart is needed, not a change of clothes, so it's not intellectual changing, but it is the change of heart, and that is brought about by moving the heart chakra on the right hand side in the clockwise manner, that is the heart itself in the clockwise manner. If you can do that, you can really do marvels, and that's how on a collective basis, the heart is sort of the innermost, innermost string of the collective one string that is passing through all of us. So if you could strike at the innermost, because in a 3 1\2 circle that's the innermost part. If you touch there, it passes over the… Supposing you touch somewhere else then it might break, but at the beginning if you start striking it, it goes very nicely and passes into complete circumference.

Now the centre one I have told you is the heart plexus which we call as cardial plexus, and it has got ten sub-plexuses, and the English names for that are, again I'm going to give you the complete list, I don't know when we'll have time to go through the medical journal, but I'll find out all all of them, and I'm going to tell you what they all it in, in medical terminology. But they know that there are ten sub-plexuses which are supplying to the muscles of the heart, to the lungs, and to the right side lungs, and that's how it divided. But they do not know that it is already three parts, and then there are ten petals which are working it out, I'm sorry twelve petals, I'll talk about later. So three divided into twelve is four each side. But actually it is not so. It is the ten petals are together in the centre, and the centre one is known as the «sacred heart». In the bible it is called as «sacred heart», and this sacredness of that heart in the abstract form is the motherly love of God. That's why the Jagadamba, Mother of the Universe, resides there. And these, those twelve petals act according to the Mother Earth, the heart, and that's why we cannot allot them to this side or that side, because it is She who actually makes them pulsate, so here She becomes a dominant person and not the heart, there the spirit rules.

So spirit rules by itself, and it is ruled with the help of the reflection of God Almighty, Himself. It is on its own, it is arbitrary. It sees, it watches, it is the witness. It watches the play of these ten petals, 12 petals here, but if it finds that there's too much of strain on the centre one, it just switches off, and when it's switched off, the whole thing stops.

You see, so you must understand the difference between the other chakras and this one, in that there is the spirit on one side and the Mother on the other side, and on the other side is a human, perfect personality, three things all put together. Now, if you reduce them to your three powers, you'd understand. On one side is the instrument, or you can say the nucleus for the left hand side working. In the centre it is, or you can say left hand side working you can say the Mahakali's working in the centre you can say it is for Swaddha Mahalakshmi working, and the nucleus for the working of the right hand side where Rama resides, because we can call it a nucleus. The reason is because He was not active, He was active without feeling, without feeling He witnessed it.

Now they combine here, where Krishna came and He felt, witnessed it, and He called it as Leela, is the whole ting. Rama never called it as Leela, but He called it asplain. So that's why Krishna here is completed, and that's why we call Him as Sampura, is a complete incarnation, Adi.

Do you know that Christ was here, and I've told you about Christ in that book, I've read it out to you, the Devi Mahatmyam, what they have describe about Him, how He was created, and how He was brought here, He was Mahavishnu, and how it is He was put there, but that is not, just now we are discussing we are just now discussing about theses three powers of the heart.

Now what is the connection of these three powers? Why should they be placed at that time? Because at this juncture, we have three nucleus working together in, on three different channels and they are to be connected somehow. They are to be connected, otherwise, you see, in a human being there is not so much a connection established because there's no Kundalini awakening. There is parasympathetic is halfway hanging, dangling and how are they to connect between the heart which is existence between the heart, which is evolution, which is the heart, which is activity.

So at this juncture, which is kept connected, once the heart stops, everything stops simultaneously. But when you are on this level, then your horoscope's your heart. Horoscope can work out only up to this point, because if you predict a person is to die according to a horoscope. Now say, they say he's going to die, say tomorrow. But die much later. Or he'll die whenever he feels like stopping, it has happened. Because he goes beyond this limit, where these three things are connected. So you see, we say that you have got limited number of breathing. Breathing becomes so slow after realisation, the rate of breathing is on so slow, that as it is realised it is much elongated, and the connection becomes very much different, because the heart stops, once you stop it, it cannot stop because other activities are stilled. So first of all, when a realised soul dies, the Kundalini has to pass out from here, and then the heart stops. It's a different phenomena, and that's why when a realised soul dies, they find, that the prana, the life does not pass through the mouth or from the nose, but it passes through here, and you find a clot of blood ( ), but that is the sign that a person was realised of a great height, but those who die, even before such an achievement, they do not die with their eyes open, neither with nose bleeding, or with their mouth open, but just with no bleeding at all, from the nose or from the mouth, no bleeding at all. And it could be they have to take pressure tests from them. Otherwise, in every other death there is ( ). Eyes in some people may be open, but if they are fully realised then they'll be closed. So this is the difference is, but at this level everything works out your, because you are still at a level where you have not reached the witness state, and that is the reason, your horoscopes are working out your, all material things are working out at this level, and that's how you become miraculously different.

I'll give another example of that, how you become miraculous. For example, a realised soul is driving by a train. We have got this example, a concrete example in here. There was a realised soul travelling by a train, and the train collided, and not a single person was killed in that, and there was, it has taken so many somersaults, and nobody could explain. There was one car accident where one realised soul was going by that car, it was a very big car and many boys were there, and some of them were caught up together, and they were all drunk and they were singing, and he didn't know what to do, but he was there somehow or other, and not a single person died in that, when this happened, which people were surprised how it had happened.

Even if a realised person is walking, and if there is an accident that is going to come up, he'll find suddenly something will happen that the accident will be averted. If you could put a bandhan at that time, you can immediately avert the accident.

You see, such a person who is realised who has gone beyond this state and has become a witness to it, such a person not only saves himself but saves others, so all your horoscopes and all these things you go into in different categories, for a realised soul becomes, the whole thing changes. The whole thing changes, absolutely changes and he becomes a different person. His hands changes, his lines, and people start saying «oh you must have been this, and you must have been that» and when you see, those people who are not realised, if they see your hand they might depict the spirituality that has come into it, but still they stick onto certain things, and they say some things, you see, that they cannot see. But if it is a realised soul, he can tell you immediately that at what age you will get your full realisation, what will happen, all sorts of things, if he's a fully realised person. But actually, people after realisation have no interest left in all these things, so seldom ask. I've not known anyone who's a realised soul and still busy telling hands and things like that. He has no interest left.

But now, this coming back to the heart again. On the right hand side we have got Rama's place. now Rama was know for his obedience to Swaddha, if you know the story. His father was in Ayodhya, he was ruling there, and he had three wives. The third wife had two sons, but she could not see Rama getting the throne. She was a very nice mother, but somebody you see, some lady went and told something to her and she listened to her, and she told her husband that if you want to give me my boon, the promised boon, you have to make Rama go into the jungle for 14 years, and give the throne to my some Bara, but when the… heard this, he fainted, he fainted with this request, but Rama was there, He heard it, and He immediately told her that I am going to the forest and I've accepted it and your point your son has developed for me, it's all right, and that's how He went, see. Just to obey the order of His father, because father had not even ordered, but because he was compelled. He had given his wife two boons, that once you see in the war she saved his life, so he said that whenever you want you can ask for these two boons, and they were, she never knew that she would use them in such a funny way.

Later on she repented, because … He refused to accept the throne and he put only Rama's slippers there, and ruled there, and everything was different, but Dasaratha died, because when Rama went away, he just died.

So you see, Rama's life shows how He was obedient to His parents. He suffered so much, anyone who has not been respectful to His parents. You see, of your parents have been unkind, you have every right to tell them that they should not be unkind to you, and that you feel hurt, but you have no business to answer them back and you have to be respectful, you have to be respectful because they represent your primordial parents. You are not to shout at them and misbehave. You have to be respectful to them. They may be bad people, but you have to respect them, because you have chosen them. When you were born, you chose them. You could not have been born to them, you have really chosen them and you said, «These are going to be my parents». So if they are your parents, they are there because of certain reasons, because you have been seeking them in your previous lives, and that's how you are there. For example now, you see, you meet some parents and you think they are very good parents to their children. She said «Oh God, can I get them as my parents?» Oh asking, have it. Unless you have it, you know what it is to be their children.

Then you start misbehaving with them, that's not the way. Now only do not come with such mistakes of choosing wrong parents, and be respectful to them and it comes as a blessing, it is always very blissful, your parents will be very hard, disciplining time, misunderstanding time, I know it's very hard, and with the education that you have and with the understanding you have of the whole world you think they're absolutely foolish and babyish and immature, and specially when you have vibrations, you feel even worse about them, addicted to things, and they could be quite slaves, but you must understand that you see they have got these troubles, we could have been the same if you had not come to Sahaja Yoga, you could have been much worse, so let us understand them, try to help them out, and if you are respectful I tell you, you can be very sure, if you are respectful you can change them.

Elders you can never change by telling them off, that's not the way to change your elders, start behaving in a manner that they should be respected, this is, I'm telling you the secret, how to handle your parents is to be extremely respectful to them so they realise 'Oh God, when he respects me so much, how dare I misbehave in their presence'. This is the secret of handling your parents and not by shouting at them, no that you have to do with your … but not with your elders, with your elders you have to create a feeling in them that they are to be respected.

It happens, you see, you try, you try this thing with your elders. If you want anybody your elder to be nice to you, try to be extremely respectful, and the person starts wondering 'Now what should I do to keep up my respect so I should not loose it?' And what they value most is the respect. Elders, they value the most is the respect. And if you give them the respect they will not five it is for anything. You can make them do whatever you like if you really show them the respect. And they will fight to keep it by giving up anything. You can make them do whatever you like if you really show them the respect. And they will fight to keep it by giving you anything that you see, lures them away from you, to keep the respect.

But you see, it happens like that, you find your parents not doing what is right, you start suspecting them, then they think 'There it is, we have lost the respect, what are we going to gain now?' Because you see, these things do not sort of create any, any recording in their brains.

We had a case, some boy he told me about his father, that he's been like this and he's behaving in such a manner, and it's very wrong of him. I said «I agree it's very wrong of him he should not do it,» and so I said, «What are you doing?» He said, «We are hitting him, and we are hitting, abusing him.» And I said, «That's not the way. When he comes home you try to be very respectful. Try.» It worked. He gave up the woman. Because he cares for the respect. And you know how much is respect? After all, most of the people if you see in this world, they want respect. If you respect someone, that person is willing to give up anything for that respect. And a father deserves it, because he's your father, and once you accept, «Yes, father, yes, yes», and in a respectful way, you just try, and you see it will work.

You see if you want something, all right, what will you have, just ask, but can we stop it at that point, let us talk about something, you can direct the attention of your father only by being respectful, you just try with your mother and father. You're not to boss over them, it's real, I'm telling you the secret. Is not for anything for you see, to make you change your ways or anything, but I'm just telling you the secret because you have lost the idea of the secretive methods of winning over people and understanding them and managing them, and really you will have your way. Only thing is to respect them. I thought we might have some questions.

But bible is a book which is being compiled by various people at different places at different stages, and all this was revealed to them by the unconscious. All the knowledge that you find in the bible was revealed to them by the unconscious, and they could not actually understand the full text of it. Whatever they understood or gathered, they put it down. Part of it was lost because it was not immediately recorded, and also because the original bible itself was lost, so all explanations, all the things were left behind and that's how people have a very good loophole to make whatever they feel like about all the great words that are in the bible.

For example «The word» — what is the word? Is it logos or something? What is that? What is it comprising of, what does that mean, how it starts, from where it has come? It is Om. Om comes from three words: uh, ooh, muh. Uh, ooh, muh. Uh stands for the first creation of the left-hand side, what we call the Mahakali power. First only in the world manifestation of the superego took place, so we can say that uh stand for the beginning when only up to the stage when life was not created. Oooh stands for the other stage, where, now sound is the same. Sound is the same, manifestation is different. The voice is the same, my sound is the same, for example whatever is my sound, you can make it out wherever I speak, this is Mataji speaking.

Maybe the manifestation is different in uh, ooh, muh, so first uh starts, then comes to ooh, which is Mahasaraswati power. We can say the three notes which we have as, I don't know in English what you say to the notes but we say| sah, uh sah…, the basic three notes, so the second note is that of Mahasaraswati by which the life — sun life — started working. And the third one is the muh through which evolution started taking its place. So that is the Mahalakshmi stage. So you have got these three powers working together, and that is, in a very short form, we say it is Om.

But it is not only that human beings have said it. When you meditate you have seen that Ommm. I'm saying that these three powers have a third, these three sounds, and that's how this word is created, of Om. For a realised should, Om is a most powerful thing. For example, if you want to protect yourself, the word Om itself can protect, and when these three powers combine as Om we say that this only the child or the sun god represents in its purest form Om. That's why in the life of Christ, or we can say in the life of a personality that represented the Son of God, Om is very important because he embodies that Om within himself. All these three powers are in him, and in the most innocent form. What I'm trying to say is this way, now yow take any other deity, any other deity except for this one. Take any other deity, you will find they have more of this power, of that power. For example, if you take say, Vishnu, who stands for evolution, if you take, say, Brahmadeva, he stands for creation. If you take Mahesha, he stands for the what you call the superego side. Even if you take Krishna, he stands for evolution. But when you rise here, then only you find that all these three powers combine here at the agnya. Till agnya they are separated. At the agnya they combine. That's why it is very important that all theses three powers are controlled by Christ, and that's why Jesus Christ is the most important deity as far as Sahaja Yogis are concerned, because evolution is all right, but the complete co-ordination and protection of a human being is only possible if you have all these three powers in your hands.

She got her evolution quite all right, she got her realisation quite all right, but then she found that her left side is broken. But supposing even if she's evolved, what has she to do if the left side is overpowering her? Only Christ can save. Now supposing the right side is overactive, some people it is, you know that very well, that right side of many people is active when you find their ego is too much temper. For them also, supposing they get evolved, what will happen they'll shoot all. But if they're attacked by their ego, only Christ is the person who is going to give them a balance. And if you see Christ, Christ is nothing but a complete balance. It is a complete balance at a higher position. Have you seen a balance, how it is? Balance if you see which is kept at a higher position that the centre. And that's how it is, He balances, and that's why He is the Omkara Himself, the embodiment of a Omkara because as we know that He is Ganesha, and Ganesha is Omkara personified.

In this sound of Omkara, the complete sounds of the worlds are there. All the permutations and combinations, the complete melody of these universes within these three sounds| uh, ooh, muh. It is based on Om.

When the Kundalini moves also, it moves in three ways| uh, ooh, muh, because in the lower portion it is the uh. In the centre portion it is the ooh, and here it is the muh. Meaning that at the lower portion of the human being we are what was created as dead matter. In the centre we are what is creation, means creativity, and in the third is the evolutionary, so even we are divided in three ways — is, we are, our upper part is muh, central part is ooh and the lower part is uh. That is how we are, and when you say Om in a proper way, you find the Kundalini rises.

There is no difference at all as far as Bible is concerned, and Sahaja Yoga is concerned, as far as Koran is concerned and Geeta is concerned. Only the people with very limited vision see the difference. The one who has seen the internal of it cannot see any difference, because it's just the same. Only thing is because of circumstances, because of different methods by which it was manifested, you find a little difference in them, but as far as the matter is concerned and the substance is concerned, it is just the same. I do not find even a word which I cannot explain in the Bible, or in the Koran, or in the Geeta.

Everything can be explained very clearly, but the problem with people is they cannot think in a unified manner, human beings cannot. They must try to find out the shell or a kind of a pool to stagnate. That's human nature. They want to become worms, all the time, because they were once, they want to again become worms and amoeba, I think they'll end up with being — I don't know what to say. That's why. They cannot see the one universal truth that is flowing into them, and that is the reason which has killed religions, all over, because once you know that there is one sound that is passing through all of these beautiful religions, the flowers of universal creation, then there cannot be any problem or fight, and by creating this kind of death for all the religions, they have allowed these horrible people to come up and occupy the stage now, so you have them very nice, to overcome all our physical, emotional and mental problems.

Om works like anything. Now you may say that where is the word Om in the Christian religion? It is in Amen. Amen is nothing but OM, because muh means a nasal sound, and end of a nasal sound, and nuh also means nasal sound, because in the Arabic language it's written like a nee, you see, and nee with my name, you say, nooh, with my name starts nuh, also written with a dot, all of them have got a dot. It's a dot which shows that it's a nuh. And in the Sanskrit language, dot means nuh. And that is why it is muh and nuh. Amen is the same as OM.

Now the problem is everything, as evolution goes up, changes and that's why OM was brought to the level of Amen. Uh became Ah and Ooh became Muh, and Muh became Nuh. As I told you that Christ came as a human being, bu He was Ganesha. And the swastika became the cross. The same way, OM is Amen. So after every prayer, you are supposed to say Amen. Why not Amen? What does that mean? From there the word OM ends in English language. If you see, even in the word, in the languages, the universality is ringing but we have no eyes to see the universality. We think| Oh we are Christians. We believe in Christ. We don't believe in all this nonsense. Because others are all nonsensical. But how are you related to Christ? How much do you know of Christ? That nobody knows, you see. And that is how all the problems of all the religions are now coming before you, that people just don't believe in anything. They say that believing in religion is tomfoolery. All this tomfoolery going on. Why waste such a lot of money on churches? Why should we have any popes, and why should we have any big organisations in the name of God? Why should we have temples, why should you? I mean, there are, as here, we have everywhere people who are revolting against all these so-called, they say so-called religions, but everything that has come into being in the name of God, in the purity of heart of people has come to them from God Himself. The only problem is, when it is communicated to a human being who is not yet realised, even realised, how far are they realised? You have seen now, how much Kevin knows and how much you know.

So even those are slightly realised, how much are they going to know what he wants to communicate? And that's why this kind of foolish separation started among human beings, and once you disintegrate religion into religions — finished. That was the best way of finishing religion, because they did not give the substance, the importance to the substance. They just tried to give importance to something that is so superficial, and that superficiality also was created by these horrid people, who just wanted to use Christ as their pocketbook, Krishna as if He belongs to their household. This OM has been used all over the world in a very very subtle way, and the muh's word means Ma, and you know that all of us, for a Mother, say Ma. You go anywhere in the whole world, they understand the word Ma. Nobody has problem as far as the word Ma is concerned, because it ends up into that, that means the whole creation ends up at the feet of the Mother, even Christianity you can understand that it is the Mother, even is love. When they talk of Mohammed Sahib, they must know that He had to take the help of fife women to be there. And they were alone better than the other, all of them were uh ooh muihs, with him, the powers. They were the powers that he had, and that's how he had to marry so many. No one understands what was it, for example his own first wife Hadjia was nobody else but Mahasaraswati. His own daughter was nobody else but Mahalakshmi. So it was all his powers expressed as his wife, or sister, or daughter who helped him in his lifetime, sustaining his powers.

Now the same word OM is used by negative forces also. How do they use it? They will give this name to some devil, normally they do not, because this is one of the purest words which cannot be contaminated. Normally they will not, normally they will not. I have not met anyone so far who has got a devil on him with the name OM, and nobody so far has given this name to anyone, but I have seen people giving names like… These are the names, different — Imee stands for Mahakali, bree for Mahasaraswati, glee for Mahalakshmi — I'm sorry — Imee for Mahakali, ree for Mahalakshmi and glee for Mahasaraswati. So they will give these names, separately I have seen, to the devils whom they want to put, for example I will take the name of the gentleman, you know him, who calls himself transcendental and all that, he uses these names. Of course, out of them the first one Imee is now tied up somewhere. Now, this Imee bree glee, though they are the names of the Goddesses. He can use, but he cannot use the name of OM, and he cannot use the name of Jesus. He cannot give the name of Shri Ganesh. These names are beyond their. You see because they are terrible, a Mother can forgive, but these people are, they just burn them out, and that's why they dare not put these names. You will not find, though they will say it like this, that in the name of Jesus, you see, they might say. They might use the word Jesus, you see, in the name of Jesus I give you this, like that, and they say the photograph of Jesus and all that, and they might even use cross. Because you can see cross made by these people only. They can put them. But thy cannot give the name of Jesus to these devils, they cannot ask you| say Jesus, Jesus. They will never say that. But they say They might say all kinds of oohms and everything. But with all of these they can attack someone, like this, they say| Om namo Shivaya, it's all right. Om namoh Shiva, now, OM you have put it, in that it neutralises, they perhaps do not know it neutralises a little bit. Om namoh Shivaya.

So somebody's name is Namoh Shivaya, and he comes into it. And it means «so great» means you bow to Shiva. That aspect of God which is eternal. But they will say that you take the name Om namoh Shivaya because with that the thing you see, it's overpowered by Shiva, and that's how they will put Om with that, but they'll never give a single word as Om at… point, because no devil will own that name, it's too great. And these are the tricks these people play with the word Om, and you should play with the same. Whenever you feel like that, you just say Om. Don't say anything else, say Om. For you, every sentence has an end. Even if you say Om namoh Shivaya. But even if you say Om Jesus, it's enough. Now in a circle, if you say the complete universe into a circle, then you make three portions of that, you get three arches. Say one is uh, another ooh, another muh. When you try to reconstruct them, then you get uh ooh and muh, there are three arches, you reconstruct them. First arch is bent like this | uh,ooh, second one like that, and the third one is muh. And the dot on that is the centre point is the centre point of the circle, dot on that. Now you have seen how Om is written down, and that is how it is, the three arches are described like that, so the whole creation and the centre dot, which is the God Himself, all put together makes the OM, and that is how it is being named. I think I have told you now first of all when the creation too, place, how first the OM was formed. Did I tell you with the parabola, with the drawing, so the first sound, the first sound that started because of the separation, the first separation when it too, place between the two identities, God and His Power, that was the time the sound started, and that sound is nothing else but OM. That sound will be there and will work out till these two identities become one, then there is no relativity left and so there is nothing, so people think the world has come out of nothing, because there is no relativity, when they become two then there is something, otherwise they are one and absolute, and so there is nothing, when the sound merges or finishes or, as we say, disappears (inaudible). That is the time when the whole creation merges into one action. So that is the point where one has to go.

Now, in your own being it happens. First you feel the OM, you feel it sometimes the sound coming, sometimes you feel some sort of tingling going on, because there are seven sounds, which are easily discernible out of this Om. Easily. But there are many, but I am saying at least seven you can easily find out. If you sit down sometimes you might hear some sort of a bell ringing, sometimes you'll hear as if there is a waterfall, and sometimes you'll hear as if in the night, the small crickets are singing. You see all kinds of sounds are coming, you see you feel that they are there, something is happening, in the night, you see, that sort of a feeling you'll get, all different types of sounds there are, but seven sounds you can easily find out, and all of them put together make the OM. So, if you play all of them in a proper manner, in a melodious manner, well we can say in a harmonious manner, then you'll hear the sound Om.

Now, when there is a suggestion coming to you from somewhere, you'll always feel there is a sound coming in your ears, so you'll be alerted. You are alerted, and you just pay attention what ideas are coming, and then suddenly you get an idea. Note it down. These are the ideas coming from the unconscious. Just wait, a sound will come. And the sound will suggest that there is a suggestion coming, you note it down.

But with the devil, such a thing will never happen, you will never get the sound, you also will get "Ad… or something with maybe little fragments because they carry as fragments, just. But mostly you get horrid smell of, as of burnt leather, or something like rotten egg, horrid smells you get from such people who are possessed. So this OM is, is a sound that understands, that talks, hat organises, that informs, and that is the sound of the Divine love, This is the electrical feeling that you get on your hand. But this is the sound.

So we have got also five very subtle type of expression of five elements, and those are this fine sound of OM, the vibrations are the electrical, there is a magnet in that sound, or in that powered, for a person who is, who is realised. The person who is blessed by God has a magnetic power. That person attracts. That person my not even speak about, but people know about these things. They know that he's a man who's realised, there's something special about him. Immediately you can find it out, what he is. It is because of this sound and the magnet. You must have heard that sound when we converted into matter. In the same way, all these things are converted, the sound becomes a magnet, the magnet becomes the vibrations, the vibrations can become the spirit. So these are all convertible, and part and parcel of the same thing, the same energy which is the Divine love, which is love. Love has a sound, and love has electricity, it has got magnetism. and it has got the power. When all these subtle powers are poured on to any human being, it acts, it acts, and people start improving in their health. You must have heard of experiments where people have tried music on some people who are hot well, and they have been cured. And what happens is that they, the subtler, subtler powers of the sound that we are manifesting, that behind it, the power that is manifesting it, comes into play. Which is a very small thing there, but with you people, when you pur you hand this is the sound of OM which is vibrating, it is so micro, micorwaved, vibrations, that you cannot see with a magnifying glass, you will not see my finger shaking at all, you'll say they are very steady, but they're very microwaves. And the microwaves, when they pass into the body of the human beings, or anything, there they awaken the microwaves that are sleeping in the body of the human beings, or whatever things you use, and they start generating the second, what you call, phase as the… of the outside…

For example, I'll tell you how. Now, I put my hand to a person who is sick. Now here I put it, and he is sick on this part, he has got some trouble, what happens? These waves, they're passing to there, and whatever are sleeping inside you see, they are sort of regenerated. And they start getting awakened, and they start getting strengthened. Now, they generate the other manifested ones, or we can say the apparent ones, by which the person feel cured. For example, we put like this, now the blood is clotted here, there's no blood flow. You put your vibrations there, what happens, that the blood clot starts dissolving, because the dissolution power of the blood is with the Vitamin K. And the Vitamin K is excited because these vibrations passing through that, and the Vitamin K is excited there. Later on by the microwaves which are receding, and that's how it works. But you cannot see that. They just work. They are abrusha (?). They are invisible. But they are there. To record them is impossible. Because human beings do not have any such instruments. Now at least, thank God, the scientists have accepted that we haven't got ears to record everything that is in the sound. so, in the same way, they haven't got records to record the vibrations of these microwaves.

Now, when you people say Om, realised people, when you say Om, the sound waves of Om, you just try on a person who is, just now you are having some pain there. All right. Now just now you put your hand there and say Om. Try it I want to first tell you about my meeting, and why Gandhi is so important. Perhaps you have never realised what a tremendous instrument Gandhiji was. At the age of seven years he just picked Me up from My family, and I stayed with him, very very close, extremely close, and he used to call Me as Nepali. That was my name. And everybody knew me by that name. After 40 years, or say 45 years or so, suddenly I met… in the wedding of his own son. And I went to him, I saw immediately he recognised me. He said: ‛What, Nepali, how are you here?“ And just tears started rolling down my eyes. That was Gandhiji. He was a tremendous hard master also, and I always used to say that you can be hard, but how can you be hard with all these people? He would make us get up at 4 o'clock. It was very easy for me to get up at four because you see, my body had no habits, I can get up any time and sleep any time, but I speak for others… get up at four o'clock, and they had to clean their temples, they had to even, they sometimes had to clean, clean the bathrooms and the lavatories, and everything with their own hands. He was a tremendous hard master, but an extremely loving and compassionate person. He, as just now, as everyone has said, he definitely always used to talk to Me in a way as if I was a grandmother, you see, and he used to discuss things with Me, most surprising to all others, in a way, and I was big and wiser, to everyone, and he would make me say (?). And he said that guidance can be had better from some children than from the older people, Even when I again went to Gamlasha (?) this time, my husband told me the same thing, do you remember he used to say so. I said I remember that. But somehow he had recognised me, and he knew about me, you see by … who had recognised me, and somehow or other, by which we have not been able to know, by which there were some people … (large section inaudible) somewhere near there … (?) there were people who were absolutely standing an areas of … (?). They would not tolerate anything that was wrong for themselves. First thing they had was to keep themselves like that, in dharma. And Gandhiji used to really… (?) and ask us … (large section inaudible).

He was a tremendous personality. And the thing that I have learnt from him, I should say was one of the things, which I could never have understood, otherwise, is a sense of public money. Actually I have no sense of money at all, I am so… (?). I do not know what is bank, I do not know how to cash a cheque. I still, you know, I mean, I must have cashed lots of cheques but I don't know how to do it, even today if you want to teach me I just can't learn. I am no good for that. But I've seen Gandhiji's sense of public money, he was so keen, so keen and so sharp that anybody who has lived with him, I cannot understand, how can they take to this kind of cheap dealing with public money.

Once we had a meeting of all the big leaders, and they came to Nandi ashram where we all girls were staying, and some boys were there, looking after them, giving them pamphlets and things, and suddenly Gandhiji realised that it is very late and they should have their lunch in the ashram itself. So he said that why not have your lunch here. They said all right, if you think you will have, all right. So he got up, he always had …with him because … was not there so he came down, and he told us: «Let us weigh food for them and take it out». So then we had to weigh according to the number of people who were there. He said I am a bhakta pavya, you must properly weigh everything and take it out, and then he took about 15 minutes to do all that, then again he took the piece, put it back and went on with his work. I think it was Molanazad (?) or someone who was there who said, «Babu I never give, we never mean that you'll be put to so much trouble for our sakes. We could have gone back a little later and had   He said: „Trouble, what trouble? No‛. The way you got up and had to take away (?), you are so cautious and careful about it.

You know the word he said, you know: „This is the blood of my people. I cannot allow it to be wasted or in any way spilled‛. Just imagine, he said. „Nibhani dani mira droga‛ I mean, I cannot forget his sense of understanding. And even I have seen Mr. Shastri do the same. I mean, there was nothing like a double standard. On the contrary, the closer you get to them, you respected them much more, because they are so clean, and so clean, and they thought with that they'd maintain that cleanliness, and that standard.

We are really very lucky to have such great people born in this country of ours. Only the trouble is that we have forgotten what great contribution they have done, that Gandhiji was one who came on this earth to save us from this fallen domination, in such a unique manner he laid down the basis for Sahaja Yoga. Actually, in every way he laid down. For example if you see his ideas, economic ideas, are absolutely in tune with Sahaja.

Now after the Industrial Revolution and Industrial Revolution as they call it in the west, people have gone so far in creating aggressive economy that they are astounded the way now, things are working out in those countries. The aggression that started with the industry, the machinery, is now directed towards the human beings themselves. In England, you'll be amazed, which is the soberest country Among all others. In England, every week two children are killed by their parents is the statistics. Can you imagine? Good children. They are not illegitimate children. No family is safe from this aggression. The aggression is now towards oneself, is absolutely self-destructive. The machinery, the child that started creating things also mad human beings machines, and these machines had no feelings within them, and the feelings started drying up and drying up to such an extent that human beings have become feelingless. They have no emotions left. I don't know if Gandhiji could have sensed it to that extent, because you know, it is difficult for a saint to see the forces of evil, how far they can harm, it's a very difficult thing. He did see something of it, so he was warning, that don't go in for heavy industries. Heavy industries are very dangerous, and he threw out … that tried to keep … place in industries.

With all this advancement in the west, you'll be surprised that the condition is such that you cannot get anything fresh. The food that you get is nothing but God knows what kind of chemistry they have adopted, that all the time you feel you are eating chemicals. You do not feel you are eating any food. If you talk to people, you feel they are stumped/stunned (?), they are shocked and afraid of each other. There is no love, there is no trust, there is no give and take. Its' such a ridiculously absurd society that has been created, that it is important for us so called developing countries to look where have they fallen, to what ditches they have gone, and stand by and see for yourself that though you are trying to use science, and use these industrial achievements of other countries as a tool to our advancement, you should know that they can completely destroy us, as they have destroyed those people.

The destruction is not from outside so much. Of course it is in a way, the way we have created Hiroshima and all that, but the destruction is from within, and that destruction is settling in such a big way, that it's impossible now to stop. Only way is to turn the whole ting into a new dimension by which you can control it, and that is only possible through Sahaja Yoga. Thank God, my husband was elected and I went to London, that we have now a base.

Gandhiji is the man who has created base for dharma in this country of modern times. If you see his Bajanawi (?) you'll be amazed, it is all based on the different chakras, one after another all that Bajanawi will start from one to another. Is just like how we do it for our Kundalini awakening. It is based one after another, from one chakra to another chakra, to another chakra, to another chakra, though he has not mentioned anything else. Apart from that, we in Sahaja Yoga, we have to take account of all the incarnations, of all the prophets, of all the great primordial masters, who came on this earth and adjust accordingly the different movements of the Kundalini. Because according so Sahaja Yoga all these incarnations are within us, and they help us, and we have to awaken them. Same thing Gandhiji has done is to tell us that we have to look around, we have to know Bible, we have to know Geeta, we have to know all these great scriptures and great people, and integrate.

Of course, that part is left to me is the actualisation of what he wanted to do. Though he definitely had prepared the base economically, then political base also. He never believed in aggression. Never. And he said that sharing should be brought. He always believed even capitalism should be conquered through enlightenment. Though he was so busy with this emergency job of saving the whole nation, that he could not pay much attention to the subtler side of Sahaja Yoga, which I call awakening of the Kundalini of self-realisation. But he always talked of, he always said about it, most surprising, he's the only one I have seen so far who was not doing self-realisation, but was so close to it and could see clearly that self-realisation is the only way for emancipation of human beings. His values and his styles were so correct.

As a mother also, I was a child but I was a mother throughout, and I would always feel that Gandhiji was little too strict, and I used to say that, „You are too strict, I just can't bear it‛ and tears used to come into my eyes. I said, „This is a bit too much‛. He said: „No. We are in emergency. We have to be disciplined. We have to be disciplined, and we have to tell them‛. So once I told him, „Babu, if you want to discipline people, why not give them discipline from within?‛ He said, „How to get to their place?‛ I said,»It is very easy. You can do it". He said: «Not just now. Not just now. First of all, let us be free. If you are not free, what can we enjoy? We cannot talk about it. People will say that we are not even free. How can we talk of freedom of spirit? We should be free from the foreign domination».

I would say in emergency, supposing we use a boat to cross over. Then we do not carry the boat on our heads, but we do carry the experiences of our crossing, and those experiences are very great. And the greatness about Gandhiji was that he created great only by his personal character, and by his dynamic, absolutely dynamic leadership. And the area when this has happened, I have seen those people were absolutely regenerated. You cannot believe how sacrificing they were. I have seen my own father, that today I think he was a legendary man, if I tell you how great he was. I mean, every way, I cannot find a single fault in his life as a leader.

But today it's very different, and very sad that those who were supposed to be Gandhiji's people, followers. The other day I talked to somebody that why not start with basic education, because we don't live in cities, why should we have this education? It doesn't go to the villages. So he said, «That's very different, it's very different proposition» and all that. I was amazed, he was a Gandhini, how could he talk like that? It is not at all difficult to adopt Gandhiji's ways in India. As Gregorian told you, I have been to China and Mao has definitely followed Gandhiji. He has copied everything that Gandhiji has done. I was amazed because when I was there I saw even … being practiced by him. All the things that Gandhiji thought of, he has done and he has improved China. And today, China is like a tiger. People are afraid. You see, this tiger has now awakened. Now hat is it going to do? It has got its own power. And this is what Gandhiji had dreamt, imagine that Mao should use it, and why not our people? I don't know. I should blame the bureaucrats or the congressmen or the politicians who never understood that Gandhiji was the most practical man, and now Sahaja Yoga I'm sure will re-establish his ways. Definitely it has to be established. Too much of asking, too much of elaborations, too much of materialism makes you a slave of material.

You'll be amazed. We are supposed to be poor people, we are supposed to, but we are not. In London, or in America, American people are such miserly people that I'm absolutely shocked. Absolutely shockingly miserly. To spend five rupees for us is nothing, for somebody who comes to our house or something, but Americans are such miserly people, even if they have to spend one rupee they'll think ten times. Same in England I find. And same in other places. Terribly miserly calculating people.

I have known some people; if you go to their house they'll count heads and give you sandwiches accordingly. Horrid! And they behave in such a ridiculous manner. All the time they are thinking about money, how to make this money, how to make that money, how to keep it. You cannot imagine this affluence, so-called, has made them so poor. Absolutely absurd.

I always felt that through these material gains they might become sort of satisfied people and would take to less materialism. But it's not so. It's just the opposite. People have taken to materialism as a religion, and it is so maddening, so maddening that you can't take it. You are just absolutely by the materialistic ideas you have, the values (?). It is such a mad world that if you stay there, then only you realise how maddening they are. So as a result, these people that are here, you can see them, they revolt. They could not bear it any more. They say, «We'll get out of it.» But still the clutches of materialism are so great that they have to live with them, and they find it very difficult, only through Sahaja Yoga they have been able to establish themselves and steady themselves. I would say these are the great pioneers who will change the whole of the west. They are the foundations of tomorrow's beautiful west; otherwise west is now a wasteland, nothing but a wasteland I can tell you. I hope these people will take to Sahaja Yoga in the right earnest (?) and will spread the message of Sahaja Yoga, and will create that atmosphere as just now Dr … was saying, the beautifying, the transforming atmosphere. In all these western countries, run about, work it out and bring the dawn of a new world in which we all live together as human beings and as real brothers and sisters.

Sahaja Yoga has done a great service to humanity, and it has given you antar yoga within yourself, it has given you antar yoga between the Sahaja Yogis, and it is so great that some of these people have been in India many a times, they have never been able to come close to Indians, because all the Indians, those whom they met, were all westernised without … They had the same ideas, the same philosophy, the same everything, and they were, they were enamoured by the west, and they were just praising the western culture and western way. But the first time they say, when they have come now, they went to Indian religious, and the way they have come and embraced all these villagers, and the way they danced together, and the way they enjoyed, this is the real antar yoga, the real love between all of them. The real enjoyment and the real oneness that one feels. It is not just talking or saying of ideal things, that we are brothers and sisters, and you are listening, that you are all brothers and sisters, and nothing which is, you just become, is the actualisation you cannot just help it, helping another person. For example now if I am sitting here, and if I say that I have cured, I am doing no good, I am not doing it for any of you, I am doing it because you are part and parcel of my whole (?). I have to jolly well cure you if I want to feel all. I can feel you within Myself. This is the actualisation of collective consciousness. And once that happens, you just start feeling the oneness, and today I am going to talk about collective consciousness to you, through Sahaja Yoga, how we get it, it's an actualisation, not brainwashing or lecturing. This is the difference between the way people have been talking, we talk before it happens, but now the time has come, it is to happen.